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April 27, 2004

STATE DEPARTMENT REGULAR BRIEFING

BRIEFER: RICHARD BOUCHER, DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN
LOCATION: STATE DEPARTMENT BRIEFING ROOM, WASHINGTON, D.C.

Mr Boucher answers questions on concerns about Al-Jazeera, Violence in the Media and press freedom.

Q The secretary this morning said that -- well, he was pretty critical or suggested that he was very critical of Al-Jazeera's coverage in his discussions this morning with the foreign minister. He did not elaborate, however, and the foreign minister kind of blew off the question.

What exactly are you looking for the government of Qatar to do about the -- about your concerns with Al-Jazeera? And have they agreed to do anything about it?

MR. BOUCHER: The -- that'll be a question -- have they agreed to do anything about it? -- for the Qatar -- government of Qatar to answer at the appropriate time. I think the foreign minister has indeed talked about this subject quite a bit in other appearances that he's made during his visit to the States.

I'm not in a position to go into any more detail of our discussion, the talks or discussions we are having. Let me try to explain the context and the problem, though.

First of all, let's remember that Qatar is a very good friend and partner in the region. We consult with them on everything involving bilateral regional issues.

An example is the strategic dialogue discussion that we're having today. It is most prominent in our minds as far as the number of different ways that we cooperate with Qatar.

As far as Al Jazeera goes, it's not a question for us of freedom of the press and free speech. We obviously support those values around the world, and especially in the Arab world. We have very deep concerns about Al Jazeera's broadcasts, because again and again we find inaccurate, false, wrong reports that are, we think, designed to be inflammatory that appear on this network, and that make life -- makes the situation more tense, more inflamed, and even more dangerous, for Americans, for Iraqis, for Arabs and other people who are involved, particularly in Iraq. Our people in Baghdad have monitored these networks, especially Al Jazeera, very closely. They come after case after case after case of false information being put on the air, whether it's old footage being reported as if it just happened again today, or accusations, totally unsubstantiated, which, in fact, are wrong, being put on the air. And I think in these kind of circumstances we have to raise our concerns. The secretary has raised our concerns. We have very serious concerns about some of the -- about this broadcasting and the effects of this broadcasting on the situation for Americans and others in the region.

So we've raised our concerns. We've talked about this with the government of Qatar, which has a financial stake in Al Jazeera as well as other places on the board and things like that. I would say they understand our concerns. But how we proceed, how they proceed, these are questions that'll be answered in the future.

Q All right. Well, aside from the --
Q (Off mike) --
Q Excuse me. Aside from the fact -- aside -- you don't want to get into what specifically you may or may not have asked them, but can you say if you have asked them, as you have in the past, to not much -- with not much success, to do anything about this?

MR. BOUCHER: I'll just say we've talked to them about the situation, we've talked to them about the problems that we see across the board for this network. And we've discussed with them ways of dealing with it.

Q You -- just one question on the question of accuracy, inaccuracy versus the question of inflammatory. Is it fair to say you are more concerned about your belief that what they broadcast is inflammatory, it's not simply that there are things that are inaccurate or false accusations, but that it's in the context of inflammatory reporting?

MR. BOUCHER: I suppose that's -- that's right, because we have seen -- for example, we've criticized their broadcast of tapes of terrorists in the past when they gave long and extended coverage to a platform for a terrorist to spew forth invective and threats. I wouldn't -- I mean, the statements were false, but the reporting of this is what the guy said was not. So it's the inflammatory nature of much of their reporting, particularly when much of that -- much of that inflammatory material coming out of Iraq these days is not only designed to inflame the situation, but is, in fact, totally false. And they do this without seeking clarification or substantiation.

Q One follow-up. U.S. networks have aired portions of tapes from bin Laden that cannot, I think, be described other than as inflammatory, inciting attacks against Americans, but I don't believe the administration has ever sought to take action or encourage anybody else to take action against American news networks for airing inflammatory material from people the United States regards as terrorists. Why should the Qataris do anything about these guys when you guys haven't sought to do anything to American networks broadcasting bin Laden?

MR. BOUCHER: I think there are several things. One is that those particular broadcasts, I think we explained at the time that there was a difference between reporting the news value of some excerpts rather than rebroadcasting again and again the old tapes. But in the Iraq situation, you have a repeated pattern, an endemic pattern in this network of reporting false information and using it to try to inflame the situation. There's a point at which you cross from, you know, reporting on what's going on to, you know, screaming fire in a crowded theater.

Q How is --

MR. BOUCHER: And that point, I think, is recognized in professional news organizations around the world as being the responsibility of the news organization to get it right and to behave responsibly. And I would say this is -- we've seen instance after instance where we don't think Al Jazeera has done that.

Q Two questions then.

MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.

Q What did you specifically ask the government to do --

MR. BOUCHER: That's where we started this round of questioning, and --

Q Well, I mean, you criticized Al Jazeera pretty --

MR. BOUCHER: I think I told your colleague 10 minutes ago I wasn't going to get into the specifics of what they might do about this, or what we discussed with them.

Q Well, if --

MR. BOUCHER: So I'm not going to do that any more now than I did 10 minutes ago.

Q If I left the government out of the -- if I left government out of the question, does the U.S. government believe this network should be shut down? And secondly, you --

MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to get into any prescriptions. Let me say that we have discussed this, we are discussing, we think the government of Qatar understands the problem. But how we deal with it is something I'll have to leave for later.

Q And the other thing is not so long ago --
Q (Off mike) --
Q -- and the other question will be not too long ago the State Department saw this as -- Al Jazeera, as a useful tool for getting its message across.

MR. BOUCHER: They definitely have an audience. And we've -- we've done --

Q Well, then, I think Secretary Powell gave them an interview, didn't he?

MR. BOUCHER: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Q Yeah.

MR. BOUCHER: All of us have done interviews with them.

Q So you've changed your mind about them the more they've gotten -- or they've changed their style. What's happened since you -- at what point --

MR. BOUCHER: No. Not -- not -- not really one or the other. In Iraq, certainly, as events have unfolded, they have established a very clear pattern of false and inflammatory reporting. But as is -- as we've watched this network, as our concerns about their reporting have grown, we've, in fact, continued to do interviews with them. We still believe it's important to put our views in front of the audience. But we're fighting against a tendentious kind of reporting that means that it's very hard for our views to be seen in the context or fairly. But that doesn't mean we're not going to keep trying to make our case.

Sir?

Q If they continue along this pattern of inflammatory reporting, is there likely to be any kind of curtailing of their activities here in Washington --

MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to speculate on what kind of outcome --

Q Is that -- is that an issue that was raised --

MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to speculate on what kind of outcome there might be.
Okay. Charlie?

Q Would you -- I mean, you're saying, in other words, are -- are you saying that their reporting is putting American lives at risk, either in Iraq or elsewhere in the Middle East?

MR. BOUCHER: I would say that this kind of inflammatory reporting has made the situation more dangerous for Americans, for Iraqis, and for others in the region.

Q Richard?

MR. BOUCHER: Yeah. Nicholas?

Q Richard, we can -- you say it's not a free press issue for you. It sounds to me like it's an issue of responsibility of the media, or lack or responsibility, in this case. One might make the argument that they've put on the air what they think their audience expects them to show, just like American networks put Michael Jackson on the air all the time. But at the same time, as you and the president have been talking about freedom and democracy in the Middle East, do you think that that region is not yet ready for a really free press when it comes to responsibility of the media?

MR. BOUCHER: No, not at all. But we do think that the same standards of professional journalism that apply internationally in other parts of the world should apply in this part of the world.

Q Richard, the --

MR. BOUCHER: Elise?

Q Just to follow up on that point. The Qatari foreign minister actually did some interviews over the weekend, and he -- when asked about this charge, he said that this network and other networks in the region are reflecting the way that the Arabs are seeing this conflict in the region. And the false -- the false reporting aside, the idea of inflammatory coverage, I mean, this -- what -- how do you respond to the idea that this is how people view what's going on?

MR. BOUCHER: I can't put the false reporting aside.

Q No --

MR. BOUCHER: Because I've got page after page after page --

Q Okay, but I'm not taking -- I'm talking --

MR. BOUCHER: -- of documented false reports. Okay?

Q Okay. I'm talking about the --

MR. BOUCHER: So you can't set the false reporting aside when the false reporting is reporting that we're using cluster bombs in places where we're not using cluster bombs, that we're attacking mosques in places where we're not attacking mosques, or that we're killing people in places where we didn't kill people.

Q Well -- I --

MR. BOUCHER: So, you can't put the false reporting aside. It's part of the pattern of inflammatory reporting. Granted, this network may have a point of view that we don't like. But it's not a political point of view that's coming through, it's a dangerous and inflammatory point of view that's coming through and that's supposedly substantiated by reports, but those reports themselves are not true.

Q Could you -- (off mike) -- examples of false reports with a date on it? Or just give us the -- your -- little --

MR. BOUCHER: I think, actually, this has been made -- this has been made public in Baghdad. But on the 9th of April Al Jazeera -- a reporter named Ahmed Mansur (sp) reported that "Children are being killed and women cut to pieces in Fallujah." That was wrong.

Q Where?

MR. BOUCHER: Fallujah.

Q There was a --

MR. BOUCHER: That's absolutely wrong. The report on cluster bombs was the 9th of April, Al Jazeera. Again, "Cluster bombs are being used in Fallujah and Najaf." Again, totally false. It goes on and on. And I think our folks in Baghdad have made this available out there.

Q A quick follow-up.

MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.

Q Is that particular as to Iraq, or is it in other areas, such as the West Bank and Gaza?

MR. BOUCHER: I think we've taken the time to write it down and document it in Iraq because the potential consequences are very, very serious for us.

Q But there was no mention of --

MR. BOUCHER: I don't -- I don't know that we've gone through Al Jazeera's reporting on the West Bank to find what's true and what's not.

Q But where you're focused now is Al Jazeera. Very often officials criticize both Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya for their coverage for the same reasons. So, I mean, is this unfair to say because they -- (inaudible) -- or just in general?

MR. BOUCHER: I think -- as I said, we think that the standards of professional journalism would apply throughout the world, that the standards of responsibility should be applied in this region. That's not just in one network, but in others as well, and some of these other networks that have reported false information as well. And we sought to document that.

Q Richard, are you --

MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.

Q What's wrong with the April 9th reporting that children are being killed and women cut to pieces? Children in the fighting are being killed, and with the weaponry that's used, women can be -- even if it's a graphic way of describing it, that they're cut to pieces?

MR. BOUCHER: The reports on that day at that point was, as far as I know, completely wrong.

Q There were no children or women killed on that day?

MR. BOUCHER: As far as I know, that report was wrong. It was at least very biased. Yeah?

Q Richard, are you aware of any cases where the U.S. government has acted against American publications for reporting things that might be regarded as inflammatory?

MR. BOUCHER: I don't know. That's a question of domestic law that I'd have to look at. Certainly it's not wrong for the U.S. government to raise concerns. It's not wrong for us to raise concerns with people who have financial and other authority over a network, over a news organization. It's not wrong for us to raise concerns about the standards of journalism that are being applied. And it's particularly not wrong for us to raise concerns about activities that we consider dangerous to Americans and American soldiers.

Q Richard, except --
Q (Off mike) --
Q Can I follow up on that?

MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.

Q Except if you don't do that in the United States, it leaves you open to the accusation of hypocrisy, of saying and doing one thing vis-a-vis American publications, who have the First Amendment to protect them, but saying and doing another thing thing vis-a-vis foreign publications.

MR. BOUCHER: I don't know that we've seen the same kind of pattern of dangerous, false and inflammatory reporting from an organization in the United States, and certainly pointed out the legal authority, the ownership and other things may be different in those cases. But we've -- various administrations have not hesitated to point out reports that they thought were not true.

Q But pointing out something that you think is not true is very different from raising concerns with a government and apparently somebody with financial influence over it. I mean, I realize we're at some difficulty here because you won't say what you've asked them to do, if indeed anything. It may be that you're just, you know, complaining or raising concerns about it in private. But there is a difference between raising concerns and suggesting you want somebody to do something about it.

MR. BOUCHER: Well, I think all of you probably know that we have from time to time called people in various news organizations to say, "We think you got this report wrong." Sometimes the --

Q None of us!

MR. BOUCHER: None of you. Of course.

Q Yeah, but that's --

MR. BOUCHER: People not in the room today might occasionally have reported something that we felt they got wrong. We've often called them. We've sometimes called their organizations. And if -- I don't know if we ever thought there was a pattern developing, but I've known circumstances in the past where we might have called an organization and we'd say, "This is consistently wrong reporting." But to some extent, that is a debate. But when you can document case after case in a very difficult and dangerous situation, we think that the people in charge of this organization, who understand our concerns, will want to do something about it.

Q And just lastly, can you tell us, do you know what is the exact financial relation between the government of Qatar and Jazeera TV, how much they own?

MR. BOUCHER: I don't have it with me right now.

Q The Emir owns it.
Q I thought they own it.

MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.

Q Outright?

(IMDN: AJ was founded with a $150 million grant from Emir Al-Thani in 1996. It has not yet profitable and is still funded by the Emir)

MR. BOUCHER: Okay. Terri.

Q Do representatives of foreign governments, particularly Arab governments, come to you and complain about American media coverage? Although you don't have the financial support that Qatar may be giving Al-Jazeera, do they also feel that it's appropriate for them to raise those concerns with you?

MR. BOUCHER: I think we do occasionally get complaints, but frankly our standard answer is that these are independent organizations. That's not the case in this situation.

Q Richard, have you -- when you see these inaccurate reports, do you call -- do you start by calling up Al-Jazeera and trying to set the record straight? Because I know one of the complaints of Al- Jazeera and other Arab news organizations is that you only give an interview when it's like you have something to say, but repeatedly they call, they try to get your point of view on things, and it's a little bit difficult for them to get interviews with U.S. officials.

MR. BOUCHER: And that's why they report false information from Iraq?

Q No.

MR. BOUCHER: Oh, I'm sorry.

Q I said have you tried to set the record straight before going straight to the government of Qatar?

MR. BOUCHER: We have often pointed out to Al-Jazeera and other organizations where we thought these -- they got things wrong.

----snipped line of questioning re: Lakhdar Brahimi----

Q Richard, back to Jazeera. You questioned the independence of Jazeera. Just because there's a financial backing for an organization doesn't mean that its editorial line is not independent. But are you making the case that Qatar does influence the editorial line of Jazeera?

MR. BOUCHER: I'm making the case that people who are responsible can take responsibility, if they want.

Q But does that include the Qatari government?

MR. BOUCHER: They have a role of responsibility in the organization.

Q And then to clarify, is the editorial line of Jazeera independent of the Qatari government?

MR. BOUCHER: I don't know. That's a question for them to answer.

Q The implication is that these are intense discussions that are going on about what should be done, if anything, and that they'll be going on for the next couple of days. Is this in the venue of this new strategic dialogue, or is it in --

MR. BOUCHER: No, it's not so much in the strategic dialogue itself, which is, as I started out saying, we have a very important relationship with Qatar and we are developing security relationships, economic relationships, cooperation on reform agendas, cooperation on international issues. So that's a very important part of our relationship. That's what's going on on the strategic dialogue. There are a lot of other meetings being held around this event that the minister and others will have around town. And we continue our discussion of this.

Q Do you know, was this a topic of conversation when the deputy secretary was in Doha recently?

MR. BOUCHER: I don't know to what extent. It usually does come up. I don't know to what extent it came up during those visits.
Yeah, sir?

Q Are you saying that the distortion of the news is a malicious attempt by Al-Jazeera reporters, or is it just bad reporting? What's the State Department's view?

MR. BOUCHER: I don't know that I can ascribe motives. It certainly comes out as a pattern of inflammatory and dangerous reporting that's based on falsities. That's what we see. Why it turns out that way, you can ask the reporters.

Q You have raised this with the government of Qatar before, haven't you?

MR. BOUCHER: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Q Why do you feel they're going to do something now to change it? Or -- and if not, what --

MR. BOUCHER: Well, as I said, they understand our concerns, and we're talking about what we can do about it -- what can be done about it.

Q If the reporters doesn't change in any way, do you plan to -- what do you plan to do?

MR. BOUCHER: We'll decide at that point.

Q Can we move on?

MR. BOUCHER: Can we move on?
(Cross talk.)
I can't remember who was going to change the subject first, but --

Q One more question on Al-Jazeera.

MR. BOUCHER: Okay.

Q Are you aware of any similar complaints levied by the Israeli government against Al-Jazeera on their reporting on the West Bank?

MR. BOUCHER: I don't know what they've said. You can ask them.

Q And they also -- it's been closed in many Arab countries as well, over, you know --

MR. BOUCHER: You can ask other governments what they think. We know other people have raised these issues.

Q Richard, the Jordanian government, who arrested the suspect, aired what I guess you could say was a balanced coverage, saying that they were the bomb plotters. It aired here in the United States over BBC. But at the same time, are you monitoring Al-Jazeera, Al-Arabiyah and other networks to see what they're going to do to maybe change that initial coverage from the Jordanians?

MR. BOUCHER: People watch -- yes, the U.S. government watches these networks in various places at various times. We have it on our internal TV system here so that those who speak Arabic can watch as much as they want. So, yeah, we do watch coverage. I don't have any rundown of how they've covered those events, but others can do that.

Q Yeah. How would WorldNet and perhaps Voice of America and other U.S.-type broadcasters change or influence the coverage back to the Middle East? Are you doing anything to --

MR. BOUCHER: You'll have to ask them how they're going to cover these stories.

Q New subject?

MR. BOUCHER: Yeah. Okay. I can't remember who was --

Q I have one more on this.

MR. BOUCHER: One more on this?

Q Yeah.

MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.

Q I just wondered if you could elaborate a little bit on what the secretary meant by saying this is an area that has intruded on U.S.-Qatar relations. What's the intrusion?

MR. BOUCHER: In the context of a very strong and positive relationship that has a growing strategic dimension, it's an issue that we need to discuss with them.

Q Yeah, but how is it --

MR. BOUCHER: It's an issue that raises its ugly head. We have to talk about it.

Q Do you see limits to your relationship with them because of this issue?

MR. BOUCHER: I'd just say it's, like the secretary said, it's intruded on other discussions.

Posted by Vanessa Hetherington on April 27, 2004 at 11:37 AM in Aljazeera, Middle East media, Press freedom, Violence in broadcasting | Permalink

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